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Rapid data drain during second half of data cycle

Sweetpea3829
Tutor

Re: Rapid data drain during second half of data cycle

@GabeU,

 

My first impression, when seeing your folks data usage is Woman Surprised  LOL, that's such a teensy bit of data!  Are they Gen5?  

 

Anyways, the available data better coincides with the circle graph setting which shows 270 MB,vs the 1.8 GB.  Weird.  

 

So the bottom line here is that we're really not getting consistent, and accurate portrayals of what we're actually using for data.  And that's not cool, I don't think.  

 

Still...I remain concerned that, for whatever reason, it FEELS like data is disappearing at a faster rate during the second part of the cycle, than the first.  And by that, again, I mean Page A (with no videos, etc on it) will use 10MB during weeks 1-2 1/2.  But during the rest of the cycle, it will use 15MB.  

 

January was a bit of an anomaly month for me in that the kids were on school break for the better part of the month, and I wasn't really on much at the beginning anyways.  But yeah...that dip in my monthly usage graph?  That dip has been present month after month after month for some time.  

GabeU
Distinguished Professor IV

Re: Rapid data drain during second half of data cycle

@Sweetpea3829

 

There's definitely an uptick in the usage during the latter part of the month.  That's easily seen from the graph.  The hard part is going to be determining whether it's actual usage or something going funny with the system, and if it is, how do you conclusively verify it?  I'd still keep an eye on that Glasswire total usage for each day, and maybe you'll be able to see it there, if it's something having to do with the computer.  The only problem is that Glasswire only keeps data for a month (or maybe two, I can't remember), so it's harder to see a pattern from month to month unless you save snapshots of the total from each day.  

 

I'd get in the habit of saving a snapshot of the total data usage of the previous day and save the snapshots in a folder.  I say the previous day so that it's the full day, rather than the current day, which may not be finished yet, data wise.  That way you can have as many months worth of snapshots as you want to be able to identify a pattern.  

 

And my folks have Gen4, like you. Smiley Happy 


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Gwalk900
Honorary Alumnus

Re: Rapid data drain during second half of data cycle

@Sweetpea3829

 

Some thoughts:

Tracking data usage can be a beast ....

I know I mentioned it before but if you can swing it, buy a router that tracks data per device. That will find the device and program/process/application right NOW:

Here is one:

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833320174

 

Beyond that .....

I never was a fan of the new "history" meter. To be clear, this one:

History 1.PNG

 

Never could get the numbers to jive.

It is fine for general trends but that is about it.

Remember your plan data runs from 8am to 2am so data used from midnight to 2am will effect "tomorrows" data display.

 

The amount of data being charged against your allowance is reflected in the near real-time "usage" meters, namely these:

 

MyAccount meter

Usage meter 1.PNG

 

or

 

SCC Meter:

Usage 2.PNG

 

The first one gives the greatest detail ....down to the single MB but requires that you have an open browser. That means that you are using data while that browser is connected to the 'net.

 

The second one, the SCC meter is "inside" the modem. It resolves to the nearest 50 MB but honestly, 50 MB is nothing. If you create a link in your browser favorites you can go directly to the page without having to have opened any other pages along the way that can and will use data while open.

 

I think you need to take a series of "snapshots" of one of those meters along with time the snapshot was taken.

Example: 8am is point A, another taken at 12 noon is point B. Subtract one from the other and you have the amount of data charged against your allowance. You can then compare that to the Glasswire usage for that period by adjusting to sliders to that defined period.

Now if you have an "event" such as turning on wifi and adding a tablet, make a snapshot just before and then again after connecting/disconnecting the tablet. Check againt Glasswire and the difference is the amount used by the tablet.

 

Browsers and webpages:

As you know "auto-start" embeded video will really use data .... but there is another .... HTML5 "pre-fetch". This will really use data and you won't even know it. It has to be blocked with a browser extension.

I suggest you do the following:

 

Download and install Firefox

 

Turn off "crash reporting" and adjust all other "privacy" settings

 

Install the following browser extenions:

Firefox.PNG

 

Then .....

Don't use Chrome for a given website for a few days ..... Facebook ... whatever. Instead use Firefox for the activity.

After a few days, use Glasswire to compare usage for that site and see if more or less data was used.

 

Honestly, if you can .... get a router. Here is my Asus for 1/30-1/31:

My Asus.PNG

 

Every connection path is covered from wired to wireless including the printer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sweetpea3829
Tutor

Re: Rapid data drain during second half of data cycle

@Gwalk900, I wish a router were on the table, but...there are just not any extra pennies in the fund right now, lol.  I will check into your suggestion with Firefox.  The whole thing has gotten so exhausting, lol.  

 

@GabeU, one of the Mennonite neighbors was over today and he told me that they got a phone call from Spectrum, asking about their interest in broadband internet.  I hope they told them yes, even though they're not!  I'm hoping, because they're a large business, they'll attract a broadband provider.  

 

I NEED BROADBAND!  

GabeU
Distinguished Professor IV

Re: Rapid data drain during second half of data cycle

@Sweetpea3829

 

Cable internet?  Heck yeah!  That would be great if they did that.  


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Sweetpea3829
Tutor

Re: Rapid data drain during second half of data cycle


@GabeU wrote:

@Sweetpea3829

 

Cable internet?  Heck yeah!  That would be great if they did that.  


Get this...so I checked out Spectrum...they say they're available at our specific house.  I'm not holding my breath.  I've been here before, only to hear back, "Oh...sorry...we're not actually available there."  

 

In the meantime...the Mennonite boy that was here earlier had to do some searching for something on a Rewards website...and the data just tanked, lol.  

 

Current stats...

 

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Sweetpea3829
Tutor

Re: Rapid data drain during second half of data cycle

So...weird observation...

 

I uploaded books to the kids' Kindles during the 2AM-8AM Bonus window.  I think it was yesterday, the 30th.  I see that we were dinged for 2.1 GB of data that day.  GW does not match the data AT ALL.  I can confirm that the tablets had their WiFi shut down right after I put those books on there.  Looks like they dinged me for the data under Anytime data instead of Bonus Data.  

 

Aside from those e-books, I don't think we were even on much yesterday.  

Sweetpea3829
Tutor

Re: Rapid data drain during second half of data cycle


@Sweetpea3829 wrote:

@GabeU wrote:

@Sweetpea3829

 

Cable internet?  Heck yeah!  That would be great if they did that.  


Get this...so I checked out Spectrum...they say they're available at our specific house.  I'm not holding my breath.  I've been here before, only to hear back, "Oh...sorry...we're not actually available there."  

 

 

 


AND...dreams crushed.  She says we're 5000 ft from the nearest pole.  

WHY SHELLY, WHY?!WHY SHELLY, WHY?!

BirdDog
Assistant Professor

Re: Rapid data drain during second half of data cycle

If any consolation 5000 feet would be very close for us. Pretty sure we'll never see cable in our lifetime where we are. The local provider talks about a closer DSL hub but even that isn't happening. 

 

The US being so large with such diverse terrain deters things smaller countries are able to do. Only hope I see is someday Internet being considered a necessary utility. Might see Co-Ops then like with electricity.

GabeU
Distinguished Professor IV

Re: Rapid data drain during second half of data cycle


@Sweetpea3829 wrote:

So...weird observation...

 

I uploaded books to the kids' Kindles during the 2AM-8AM Bonus window.  I think it was yesterday, the 30th.  I see that we were dinged for 2.1 GB of data that day.  GW does not match the data AT ALL.  I can confirm that the tablets had their WiFi shut down right after I put those books on there.  Looks like they dinged me for the data under Anytime data instead of Bonus Data.  

 

Aside from those e-books, I don't think we were even on much yesterday.  


This is where it becomes difficult, as all we know is that the majority of that 2.1GB was NOT used by the laptop, as is evidenced by Glasswire.  Keep in mind that the only way to be absolutely sure that nothing can use data via WiFi at any given time is to disable the WiFi in the modem.  

 

If you haven't shut down the modem since the data was used, the record of what was connected will still be in the modem logs.   

 

http://192.168.0.1/limited.html#!/general/conn_dev_info

 

With that said, it will only show what was connected and when it disconnected, but not how much data it used.


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