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Rapid data drain during second half of data cycle

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Re: Rapid data drain during second half of data cycle

@MarkJFine

Yes Mark, You did bring this up before.

I pay close attention to the ratio of upload to download on my system. Bad things love to yak.

 

I am a strong proponent of a good router that tracks data.

From my Asus RT-AC3100 (asuswrt-merlin firmware)

Daily usage, per day, per device broken out in total and upload/download:

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When was the data used?:

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What device used data on my network around 11 PM last night and where did it go?

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It was my Samsung Galaxy Tab4 that I brought home from work and forgot to shut down.

A router will cover eevery connection path into and out of your network.

 

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Re: Rapid data drain during second half of data cycle

@Gwalk900

Understand. My questions were really geared towards the OP as you've guessed.

Your solution makes diagnosis so simple: Having a router that tracks everything so you're not wondering where it went and when. Yet, how many times do we see the same questions over and over...


* Disclaimer: I am a HughesNet customer and not a HughesNet employee. All of my comments are my own and do not necessarily represent HughesNet in any way.
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Re: Rapid data drain during second half of data cycle

Guys, you'll have to bare with me...there were a lot of responses.  The tech jargon on some of these solutions is a bit above my immediate know-how.  

 

I'm not in a financial position to purchase a different router/modem/etc.  I can download Glasswire, and we can proceed from there.  Please though, when you're explaining to me, explain in idiot-steps, in the vein of "Data Usage for Dummies".  I DO want to solve this...I'm not looking to be difficult.  

 

My parents are leaving tonight to head home...tomorrow we have church and a New Year's Party with friends.  Monday is probably the earliest I can sit down and dig into this, though I think we're taking my 12 yr old out for her birthday.  

 

Real quick before I run off for one last card game with the 'rents.  

 

We don't have any Apple devices (that was mentioned).  The two Samsung Galaxy Tabs that we own have wanted to update for over a year, but there is not enough memory space on either one to do so.  I've been getting the "Updates" warning forever.  So I don't think it's the tablets' updates...because those aren't happening.  

 

And there are four Kindle Fires (cheapy ones, they're not high end) and they have a couple of books and a dictionary app.  Not much updating going on there, either.  Plus, those are rarely connected to Wifi.  

 

My phone is also "full", and isn't really able to update the way it should.  

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Re: Rapid data drain during second half of data cycle

Ok...the hubby is heading back to work.  The kids are out of school for the next two weeks.  I have some lesson plans to get done, and some house stuff, but otherwise, I can spend some time dealing with this data issue.

 

So...the first thing I should do is...?  Download Glasswire?  Can anybody clarify for me what impact Glasswire will have on my network, system, etc?  It says it's a firewall?  Once I download Glasswire, then what?  

 

For frame of reference...current data status is: Current data usage as of 9:22pm on 1/1/18Current data usage as of 9:22pm on 1/1/18December's usage graph.December's usage graph.

 

I think somebody mentioned that viruses are often a cause of data leaks, or improper data usage.  The comment was mentioned that the upload data can be very telling.  That monthly graph lets you see how much upload and download data was used per day, and the most upload data was 88 mb.  So I'm not sure a virus is causing this issue.  (But certainly, it's plausible).

 

For virus protection, I'm running Avast as my primary.  I honestly don't scan very often anymore.  But occasionally, I'll scan with a whole suite of programs, including Avast, Malwarebytes, Spybot, Fsecure, and I think I've also used Avira.  I occasionally run a boot scan with Avast.  Honestly, I'm much better at being proactive with virus protection/scans when my system is new.  This laptop is 7 yrs old and I've slacked a bit.  

 

So...please, any help you guys can offer...but please be gentle and clear, lol.  

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Re: Rapid data drain during second half of data cycle

@Sweetpea3829

 

I would definitely download and install Glasswire on each of the Windows based computers you use with HughesNet, and the free version is fine.  Glasswire will have very little overall impact on your computer, and practically no impact on your network.  What it will tell you, though, is everything that's using data on the computer it's installed on.  It says it's a firewall, but really it just gives you more control over Windows' built in firewall, but it doesn't change anything with that unless you actively do so, so you don't have to do anything with that if you don't want to.  I'd venture to say that most people use Glasswire simply for the data usage info and they don't even bother with any of the firewall settings.  Again, Glasswire's default firewall settings don't change any of the firewall settings on your computer, so if you don't want to do anything with the firewall part you can just leave it alone.  

 

After you install it, make sure to set the options to "Incoming & Outgoing" and "External".  The options are in a drop down menu that sits to the upper right of the data usage circle graph in the Usage tab.  I'll post a picture and put a red box where the options are.     

 

It runs at startup, and also just after you install it (I can't remember if it asks if you want it to start/run after it finishes installing or not, but if it does, you should do so).  It will start monitoring the data going in and out of your computer (not the actual data, but the amount) and all programs on your computer that is using it.  You'll be able to see a little of that in the picture I post, but you can see much more when you look at the individual apps and such.  So you'll basically be able to see where every byte of data is being used on your computer, which can come in very handy when trying to figure out what's using so much data.  It can also be broken down by week, day or hour, and everything in between, so if you find that something used a lot of data on a particular day, or even during a few hours of that particular day, you can see what it was (as long as it was on the computer, that is).  

 

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Re: Rapid data drain during second half of data cycle

Done!  Now we sit and monitor, yes?  image.png

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Re: Rapid data drain during second half of data cycle

Current status...

 

I haven't been on a whole lot the past couple of days.  I do have some lesson planning coming up, some of which will require internet usage, including file downloads, etc.  Nothing heavy, but enough.  

 

Tonight, I downloaded three books on our Wifi, to my own personal Kindle.  There wasn't much change in the data used.  

image.pngimage.pngI don't know what any of this means, lol.I don't know what any of this means, lol.

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Distinguished Professor IV

Re: Rapid data drain during second half of data cycle

Ooh, that updated Glasswire GUI looks cool, so I updated mine installation.  I'll have to check out that "Things".  

 

One thing you should do is, while in the Usage section (like in your picture), click on the little doohicky to the upper right of the circle graph, and select "Incoming & Outgoing" and "External".  Right now there is some Local data being figured in (the 1.9MB on the bottom right under the circle graph).  Local data is data that's being transferred back and forth within your computer, so you want to get rid of that, and by selecting "External" in the options it'll no longer include the internal data.  External basically means anything that coming into, or going out of, your computer through the internet, and that's what we want to keep track of.  

 

So, discounting that 1.9MB of Local data, at the time of that picture you had used a total of 152.4MB of internet data (that's the 154.3 minus the 1.9MB) on that computer on Jan4th.  From what's visible, 20.1MB of that was due to Avast, and 18.9MB of that was due to Windows (host processes), which is things like checking for updates and uploading data about your computer (Windows Telemetry).  And, 108.5MB was used through Chrome.  That's basically anything you've done via Chrome, whethger browsing, watching Youtube vids, Facebook, downloading files, etc.  If you click on Apps, and then Chrome, you'll be able to see all of the hosts that used Chrome.  Hosts being websites and links, such as downloads, through those websites.  Plus ads on websites and videos and such.  Though it only gives hosts, if you really needed to look at something you can find out what it is by host.  Like if you searched the host info in Google you'd be able to pinpoint which website or service that host belongs to.  But, that's getting more into the nitty gritty, and right now the biggest things to concentrate on is what you already have showing.  

 

Again, though, you should go into the options and make sure to select "Incoming & Outgoing" and "External" so that it's only counting what being transferred via the internet (through the HughesNet modem).  

 

Also, when you get more than a day in, you can go over to the right and change "Day" to "Week" or "Month", and that way you can see the data being used during that time.  You can also click on where it says "January 4" and select certain dates to view (only after those dates have happened, of course), and when you select Custom (same place as Day, Week and Month)  you can look at a span of dates...from Jan 4th through Jan 7th, or Jan 8th through Jan26th, or whatever you like.  


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Re: Rapid data drain during second half of data cycle

Gabe, will I need to select "External" every time I pull up Glasswire?  Because I thought I had selected External before, when I downloaded it earlier this week.  But it seems to have defaulted.  Here are some additional screen shots...

 

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Everything appears, to me, to be on the up and up.  It's moving along at how I think it should.  It'll be interesting to see how the usage changes as the month progresses.  I was going to do some clean up with CCleaner, etc., but I'll hold off until after this month is over.  

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Hmmm....can you explain to me how the data usage on Glasswire compares/relates to the data usage that Hughesnet shows?  Because the Hughesnet Usage gauge that I posted an hour ago shows 252 mb used for the month.  The most recent snap I took shows 275 mb.  And Glasswire shows a jump from 152 mb to 401 mb in the same time period.  

 

How are they related?  

 

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