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What would your Gen 5 packages look like?

Honorary Alumnus

Re: What would your Gen 5 packages look like?

Mostly then its a matter of price?


Distinguished Professor IV

Re: What would your Gen 5 packages look like?

If the website is accurate, the top tier will pretty much be what is available to select places already.  The lower tiers will give a little more than previous lower tiers, though, so that's good.  For what I'm paying now (and $10 less starting next month when my discounts end), I could get 5GB more Anytime Data.  

I think this new satellite is more for easing up on constricted beams, giving the customers closer to their UP To speeds and expanding their customer base rather than actually increasing the existing plans, though, as shown in the website, the lower and middle tier plans will change a little.  Basically "bettering" what they already have.  
 
I'm actually okay with all of that.  I would rather see them improve on what they have than try to jump forward.  
 

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Sophomore

Re: What would your Gen 5 packages look like?

Mostly then its a matter of price?
No, it's a combination of data and price.

Would 50g @ $10 be reasonable?  Enjoyable, yes.  But reasonable?

I'm sure HughesNet would love to be on the opposite end.  3g for $100.  Of course, they'd be out of business in a month.

So, as a reasonable human being, I'm attempting to combine what I feel is an adequate value for my money.

50g for $100 is an acceptable value to me.

30g for $100 is not.
Associate Professor

Re: What would your Gen 5 packages look like?

I don't think Hughes would make it to where we can't disable Wifi or have control over it...  They have been very good about letting us control things like WAS (Web-Accel) so why not the wifi?

The way I see it, if they do the Wifi part of the modems right, the average user shouldn't need their own router or wireless access point.  As far as not being able to hook up your own, you can, you would just end up in a double-NAT unless you put the device into a bridge or access point mode and configure it properly.

In the end it all comes down to, they want this to work for the AVERAGE user, those of us with fancier things might have to find different solutions... In my case I would have to live life with a double-nat and disable Wifi on the modem, unless they also let me turn DHCP on the modem off, then I could very easily avoid double-nat.
Assistant Professor

Re: What would your Gen 5 packages look like?

If it doesn't allow the user to monitor per device usage or then at least allow use of own router to then monitor usage, it will be a no go for me.

For me device monitoring is essential.
Distinguished Professor IV

Re: What would your Gen 5 packages look like?

Is a "double-nat" something bad?  Would it make using our own wireless router difficult?  

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Associate Professor

Re: What would your Gen 5 packages look like?

Double-Nat is bad as it makes traffic routing pretty much impossible.  Granted since we don't have incoming connections it's not as much of an issue...

But imagine being behind a 192.168.0.x(Modem), then yet another 192.168.1.x(Router)  That's two sets of private address space that would require port triggering/forwarding and since we can't forward/trigger with a Hughesnet modem we are in a bad place.  Granted, it's still virtually pointless as I said earlier, we don't have incoming connections. But, with IPv6, yeah things could get a bit messy.

At this point with Jupiter One we are already behind ONE layer of NAT at the ISP(granted this is a bit different than what you see in a home), add in a Router and you are behind two levels of NAT.

With the HN9000 you was behind the ISP NAT, the Modem NAT, then people like me would throw on our own wifi-router and end up with even more NAT.  Makes life a royal pain if you want to game sometimes.


So yeah, I can see why Viasat didn't bother letting users control their modems, they just don't care and hinge on "Typical User".  But Hughesnet historically has let users control some aspects of their modems for people like us that have special circumstances from time to time.
Distinguished Professor IV

Re: What would your Gen 5 packages look like?

 Well, being that I don't monitor traffic with my router, if the new modem was made in such a way that using my own router could cause problems, it won't be the end of the world.  It's just that I like to use what I have and what I'm used to.    

I know you are probably aware that I haven't a clue about some of what you just said, but I know you posted it for other people, too.  

I guess we'll know soon enough.  Though, as with anything that we have that works well, I'll be somewhat hesitant to upgrade if and when offered, as what I have I am used to and works well enough for me.  Sure, five more gigs for $10 less would be nice, and the possibility of not being able to easily use my present router would NOT be a deterrent, but if my speed dropped to around what my "up to" speeds are for the package, I wouldn't be very happy.  I would regret having upgraded.  Right now I have well enough, and I like my 30Mbps during off peak periods.  

With that said, time will tell whether it will be worth upgrading if I can.  Once I see how the new system works for others, that will make the decision for me.  
 

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Distinguished Professor IV

Re: What would your Gen 5 packages look like?

if the modem is wifi only and doesn't have ethernet ports, how can customers run speed tests and expect to get accurate results?
I don't think it would be WiFi only.  It should still have LAN ports, just possibly not the "internet" port, like the one you can connect a router to like we have now, so we should at least still be able to direct connect.  After all, without the ability to connect with a LAN, they wouldn't be able to get nearly as many customers, as lot of people just use a desktop.  
 

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Assistant Professor

Re: What would your Gen 5 packages look like?

Yea, it would be regular LAN ports but no WAN/Internet port so personal router could not be put between modem and local network.

For me a killer if Gen 5 will leave me with no way to monitor per device usage. I don't like the software solutions.