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Echostar 19 and ping

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Echostar 19 and ping

I recently connected with hughesnet expecting subpar Internet speeds. Coming to find out, it's worse than subpar. My latency is between 700-1200ms! Even if the download speed hits over 20mpbs (which has only happened one time when it was installed), the Internet is still considered continental drift slow, simply because the latency is ultra slow, making any form of chat or real time impossible.

With that being said, I read up on the echostar 19 and the new gen5 plans and how bandwidth could hit a potential of 200mbps (which is even impressive for cable internet). So my question is, after echostar 19 and the new gen5 plans are set and ready to go, what about the ping? Will the ping be any faster? Or the same snail speed of over 500ms? Thanks
- Matt
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Honorary Alumnus

Re: Echostar 19 and ping

Ping is a function of the speed of light and distance. Echostar 19 will be at an altitude of 22,300 mles. The same as all geo sync satellites.
Associate Professor

Re: Echostar 19 and ping

Yeup yeup, latency will never be much below ~650ms on average.  Typically you will see between 700ms and 1400ms depending on what service you are connecting to when it comes to satellite internet.

As for the download speeds... That 200Mbps is the theoretical maximum of the modems and would require an enterprise account (more than anyone here makes in a year per month!) to obtain.
Moderator

Re: Echostar 19 and ping

Hi mcmjlm23,
Our champs have given you the right answer! The latency (ping) is only high because of the time it takes to travel from your home to  the satellite in geosynchronous orbit, to a land gateway, back up, then to your home again. It is a long road and is a trait of satellite technology.  Let us know if you have any other questions.

Thanks
Amanda
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Re: Echostar 19 and ping

So with that being said, it's misleading to say hughesnet is fast, when it takes so long to load a page simply because the latency is so long. I was thinking the latency wouldn't be as long as it really is.. not really happy with what I was led to believe
Sophomore

Re: Echostar 19 and ping

The solution to this is, unfortunately, several years off. Space X plans to launch over 4000 low orbit satellites starting, perhaps a bit optimistically, in 2018. Because these will be low orbit satellites, the latency issue will be a thing of the past.

If Space X can pull this off, then I would think there would be some service available from them in 2019 or 2020.

O3b is already doing this but they have only launched a few satellites and their focus is more toward areas that have either no or very limited internet access such as Africa and Latin America.  

Re: Echostar 19 and ping

So with that being said, it's misleading to say hughesnet is fast, when it takes so long to load a page simply because the latency is so long.
How long is it taking a page to load? Can you give an example? You may have another issue besides normal satellite latency.
I was thinking the latency wouldn't be as long as it really is.. not really happy with what I was led to believe
Let to believe this by who? Was this something you read or was it something you were told?
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Associate Professor

Re: Echostar 19 and ping

They have been talking about LEO Sat Net for the better part of 20 years (Not SpaceX, but technology companies overall).  It's not going to really take off like some expect I think.  Musk thinks it will be ~25ms, but I have serious doubts it will be that low once everyone tries to get those 1Gbps plans he touts as being available.  Imagine if everyone could get a 1Gbps service plan at 25ms, virtually every ISP would be put out of business, but we already know that those satellites will have individual throughput limitations, and they will probably be rather low.

As for O3b, they plan only 20 satellites world-wide, each one caps under 15Gbps, and maximum throughput is about 2Mbps on those satellites for each connection.  To top it off, they are not LEO, they are MEO, so latency is rather... bad.  They are more of a commercial provider than anything as well.


I am all for LEO, but everyone keeps forgetting something, a bird can only handle so much capacity, and LEO sats will have to be replaced rather frequently.  No company has actually made residential LEO service that's affordable and profitable while providing a good service, so good luck to whoever accomplishes it, if they can.

Re: Echostar 19 and ping