19 Sep 17 - iOS 11
25 Sep 17 - MacOS 10.13 (High Sierra)
Wake me up when September ends...
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I'm running an iMac 9,1 so 10.11.6 is as far as I can go on this old of hardware.
I went to an auction this spring at a local university looking for a newer Mac but there was nothing newer enough to warrant changing.
I'm too tight (and poor) to shell out for a new iMac so I'm here for a while but elCapitan has treated me pretty good.
I do have a \"Hackintosh\" I keep as a backup spare but have only upgraded it to Yose. I like the DU better and plan to leave it there.
I have found that late night OS updates are the quick and easy route. (about 1.5 to 2 hrs) daytime 8 hrs= :/
As for IOS updates (iPhone 6) I havent had any double downloads, I think your 2d assessment is correct.
Don :)
","body@stringLength":"787","rawBody":"Hey Mark,
I'm running an iMac 9,1 so 10.11.6 is as far as I can go on this old of hardware.
I went to an auction this spring at a local university looking for a newer Mac but there was nothing newer enough to warrant changing.
I'm too tight (and poor) to shell out for a new iMac so I'm here for a while but elCapitan has treated me pretty good.
I do have a \"Hackintosh\" I keep as a backup spare but have only upgraded it to Yose. I like the DU better and plan to leave it there.
I have found that late night OS updates are the quick and easy route. (about 1.5 to 2 hrs) daytime 8 hrs= :/
As for IOS updates (iPhone 6) I havent had any double downloads, I think your 2d assessment is correct.
Don :)
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It just got done... 8 HOURS LATER.
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And it's going to have to last for a good while. Wife needed a new car and I'm in a wait state for about another year until the pension and IRA kick in.
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As I said, I haven't looked into what they're doing as far as a new file system and it could be something totally different. Almost no Apple computer has multiple hard drives so zfs doesn't make sense. COW (cache on write) might advantageous enough. idk
It is something I need to check out.
177GB free still isn't too bad. I've got 386 free out of 500.
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It is something I need to check out.
177GB free still isn't too bad. I've got 386 free out of 500.
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I've been looking into APFS vs HFS+.
Unless your HDD was already pretty full I don't understand why it would fill up much more.
I would recommend that for future \"major upgrades\" you wait until there's a dot release and beware of the \"bleeding edge\".
I've been there plenty and learned to stay back a comfortable distance.
Anyway IMO APFS is another step to turn all of our computers into big smartphones.
Best wishes,
Don :)
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I've been looking into APFS vs HFS+.
Unless your HDD was already pretty full I don't understand why it would fill up much more.
I would recommend that for future \"major upgrades\" you wait until there's a dot release and beware of the \"bleeding edge\".
I've been there plenty and learned to stay back a comfortable distance.
Anyway IMO APFS is another step to turn all of our computers into big smartphones.
Best wishes,
Don :)
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