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Satellite capacity, video streaming and other meanderings

OK, did some simple math here, please correct me if I made any errors.   1. Echostar 19 has been advertised as having "up to" 220 Gbps throughput: http://spacenews.com/atlas-5-launches-echostar-19/...
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OK, did some simple math here, please correct me if I made any errors.

 

1. Echostar 19 has been advertised as having \"up to\" 220 Gbps throughput: http://spacenews.com/atlas-5-launches-echostar-19/

 

2. Netflix says 5 Mbps is needed for HD streaming: https://help.netflix.com/en/node/306

 

3. So, divide 220 Gbps by 5 Mbps and you get the max user capacity at that speed which equals 44,000 customers. 

 

4. In my feeble mind that says if 44,000 customers are trying to stream video at HD, at the same time of night, the satellite throughput is already maxed out.

 

I realise there is compression and other things being used but still, 44,000 or even 50,000 doesn't seem like that many users to send things over the edge when talking a half million users at least on each of  the Echostar 17 & 19 satellites.

 

Please tell me if my math or logic is off. Point I'm trying to make is people who think they are an island streaming at the higher definitions are affecting the entire ocean.

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OK, did some simple math here, please correct me if I made any errors.

 

1. Echostar 19 has been advertised as having \"up to\" 220 Gbps throughput: http://spacenews.com/atlas-5-launches-echostar-19/

 

2. Netflix says 5 Mbps is needed for HD streaming: https://help.netflix.com/en/node/306

 

3. So, divide 220 Gbps by 5 Mbps and you get the max user capacity at that speed which equals 44,000 customers. 

 

4. In my feeble mind that says if 44,000 customers are trying to stream video at HD, at the same time of night, the satellite throughput is already maxed out.

 

I realise there is compression and other things being used but still, 44,000 or even 50,000 doesn't seem like that many users to send things over the edge when talking a half million users at least on each of  the Echostar 17 & 19 satellites.

 

Please tell me if my math or logic is off. Point I'm trying to make is people who think they are an island streaming at the higher definitions are affecting the entire ocean.

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Agree, we honestly don't stream that much Netflix, especially during prime time, maybe a couple times a week. Then it is in low def as I said before.

 

I think a lot are trying to do HD at night, then they complain here or the call center when buffering. Satellite and gateways trying to parcel out the bandwidth.

 

Definitely agree the younger cord cutters, we have OTA TV, trying to keep the better half from making us getting satellite TV....lol.

 

PS: My math problem was worse case. Really don't think 44,000 trying to stream HD during prime time is that outrageous. Many grew up thinking they flick a switch and it happens. God forbid they do streaming in SD.

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Agree, we honestly don't stream that much Netflix, especially during prime time, maybe a couple times a week. Then it is in low def as I said before.

 

I think a lot are trying to do HD at night, then they complain here or the call center when buffering. Satellite and gateways trying to parcel out the bandwidth.

 

Definitely agree the younger cord cutters, we have OTA TV, trying to keep the better half from making us getting satellite TV....lol.

 

PS: My math problem was worse case. Really don't think 44,000 trying to stream HD during prime time is that outrageous. Many grew up thinking they flick a switch and it happens. God forbid they do streaming in SD.

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Your math seems right, but let's say for the benefit of doubt that most people aren't doing HD (really a worst case scenario) and there's a 4:1 requirement for HD-to-SD.

That would make the requirement for SD 1.25Mbps: 220,000/1.25 = 176,000 simultaneous streamers.

Now let's split that amongst 95 beams: 176,000/95 = only 1,853 (rounded) needed to max each beam, give or take.

Makes it seem like the initial assumption that a pileup of cord-cutters might be causing the congestion is more and more plausible.

 

Edit: Also seems to make sense that it initially seemed to be worse around Sun/Mon/Thus Night Football and on Sat/Sun day games, so I'd anticipate a pileup of fantasy stuff going on, as well as game streaming.

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Your math seems right, but let's say for the benefit of doubt that most people aren't doing HD (really a worst case scenario) and there's a 4:1 requirement for HD-to-SD.

That would make the requirement for SD 1.25Mbps: 220,000/1.25 = 176,000 simultaneous streamers.

Now let's split that amongst 95 beams: 176,000/95 = only 1,853 (rounded) needed to max each beam, give or take.

Makes it seem like the initial assumption that a pileup of cord-cutters might be causing the congestion is more and more plausible.

 

Edit: Also seems to make sense that it initially seemed to be worse around Sun/Mon/Thus Night Football and on Sat/Sun day games, so I'd anticipate a pileup of fantasy stuff going on, as well as game streaming.

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