Satellite capacity, video streaming and other meanderings
OK, did some simple math here, please correct me if I made any errors. 1. Echostar 19 has been advertised as having "up to" 220 Gbps throughput: http://spacenews.com/atlas-5-launches-echostar-19/...
Granted, I'm still able to browse and Facebook without issue.
Things are actually getting better for me on ES 17 Gen 4 since people are bailing to Gen 5 ES 19. Things still get bad on weekends and holidays or big sports nights.
That kinda makes me wish I would have stuck with what I had. SMH.
My folks, who live right across the street, still have Gen4, though I don't know what their speeds are. Probably pretty good.
With that said, it's going back up now. Sub 1Mbps speeds for me are VERY rare. I've only ever had four sub 1Mbps speed since upgrading to Gen5 at the end of March. That one was 3rd from the bottom.
And though I don't know about doing so while having the speed I just did, even when it's in the lower, single digit Mbps range I can still normally watch Youtube vids in 480p without issue.
Gabe, problem is posters here complain about 1-1.5 speed and say they can't stream anything. Maybe true for them but I can. I dunno what the problem is honestly. Even during very low speed times I can stream at low def Netflix. My guess is they are trying to stream in HD or even UHD.
Maybe Netflix uses some magic sauce with their video compression but if so it sure works.
Or, let's start a conspiracy and say HughesNet is giving low defintion Netflix streamers priority. Oh no I didn't.............lol.
Maybe a gateway thing, who knows. We're all out here just guessing in the end.
Well, I do remember times when I had Gen4 where my speeds were in the in mid, single digit Mbps range, like 5 or 6Mbps, and watching a Youtube video was a challenge. My Gen4 service was MUCH more temperamental when it came to Youtube vids. I can't speak for streaming, as I don't do any, at least at this point, but I imagine it's similar.
I think it may be that, when someone is on a beam that isn't very full, they can stream or watch youtube vids even when the speeds are quite low, like the 1-1.5Mbps range, while those on fuller beams may have a difficult time streaming or watching Youtube vids when their overall speed is two or three times that.
One thing I've definitely come to see is that, even if I have around the same speed as someone else at a given time, we may not have the same experience with Youtube vids.
Buffering youtube vids when I had sufficient overall speed, and the issue with the Windows updates taking forever, were two of the reasons for my decision to upgrade to Gen5.
Granted, this is just my experience, and the thought about the beams is just a theory, but it seems plausible.
Edit: Or, like you suggest, maybe it has to do with the gateways. Only the gremlins know for sure. LOL.
Wish I had access to the all the engineering data like satellite/beam/gateway throughput by time line..........but then they'd have to kill me. :smileywink:
"That kinda makes me wish I would have stuck with what I had. SMH. "
I'm having lots of issues with speed, but I'm still happy to have gone to Gen 5. I keep a positive (naive???) outlook: it'll grow out of its growing pains and it'll be just fine.
I'm having lots of issues with speed, but I'm still happy to have gone to Gen 5. I keep a positive (naive???) outlook: it'll grow out of its growing pains and it'll be just fine.
I'm hoping just that. Overall I've been quite happy with Gen5, and for the most part it's been better than Gen4. I just got a little jealous when I saw BirdDog's speed at that time of night. I used to see that, even in the highest usage times, but not very much anymore. With that said, though, I knew that what I was experiencing at the beginning would change as more people got on the satellite, my gateway and my beam. I just didn't expect it so quickly.
But, like I said, it's still enough for me to do most of what I normally do without any real issue. A few of the more graphics intensive websites load a bit slower, but if I didn't have to spare the extra few seconds it takes for them to load I'd have more of a problem than just the internet slowing down for a couple of hours. :p LOL.
Yes, BirdDog is getting too much fast data. Unfair! LOL
I've only had moderate speeds since the beginning (17 to 20 Mbps average), and now the speed is slower in general. I did have a period with higher speeds during the day, sometimes higher than 40 Mbps, but that's no longer the case.
I have some issues with Youtube and Netflix if the speed goes under 6 Mbps. I also have noticed that https pages are once again loading very slowly (they hadn't there for a while). The upside is the company's responsive, more than others from what I've seen in my lurkings. They're working on this, it'll take time, but things will improve.
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OK, did some simple math here, please correct me if I made any errors.
3. So, divide 220 Gbps by 5 Mbps and you get the max user capacity at that speed which equals 44,000 customers.
4. In my feeble mind that says if 44,000 customers are trying to stream video at HD, at the same time of night, the satellite throughput is already maxed out.
I realise there is compression and other things being used but still, 44,000 or even 50,000 doesn't seem like that many users to send things over the edge when talking a half million users at least on each of the Echostar 17 & 19 satellites.
Please tell me if my math or logic is off. Point I'm trying to make is people who think they are an island streaming at the higher definitions are affecting the entire ocean.
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BirdDog,
That kinda makes me wish I would have stuck with what I had. SMH.
My folks, who live right across the street, still have Gen4, though I don't know what their speeds are. Probably pretty good.
With that said, it's going back up now. Sub 1Mbps speeds for me are VERY rare. I've only ever had four sub 1Mbps speed since upgrading to Gen5 at the end of March. That one was 3rd from the bottom.
And though I don't know about doing so while having the speed I just did, even when it's in the lower, single digit Mbps range I can still normally watch Youtube vids in 480p without issue.
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BirdDog,
That kinda makes me wish I would have stuck with what I had. SMH.
My folks, who live right across the street, still have Gen4, though I don't know what their speeds are. Probably pretty good.
With that said, it's going back up now. Sub 1Mbps speeds for me are VERY rare. I've only ever had four sub 1Mbps speed since upgrading to Gen5 at the end of March. That one was 3rd from the bottom.
And though I don't know about doing so while having the speed I just did, even when it's in the lower, single digit Mbps range I can still normally watch Youtube vids in 480p without issue.
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Gabe, problem is posters here complain about 1-1.5 speed and say they can't stream anything. Maybe true for them but I can. I dunno what the problem is honestly. Even during very low speed times I can stream at low def Netflix. My guess is they are trying to stream in HD or even UHD.
Maybe Netflix uses some magic sauce with their video compression but if so it sure works.
Or, let's start a conspiracy and say HughesNet is giving low defintion Netflix streamers priority. Oh no I didn't.............lol.
Maybe a gateway thing, who knows. We're all out here just guessing in the end.
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BirdDog,
Well, I do remember times when I had Gen4 where my speeds were in the in mid, single digit Mbps range, like 5 or 6Mbps, and watching a Youtube video was a challenge. My Gen4 service was MUCH more temperamental when it came to Youtube vids. I can't speak for streaming, as I don't do any, at least at this point, but I imagine it's similar.
I think it may be that, when someone is on a beam that isn't very full, they can stream or watch youtube vids even when the speeds are quite low, like the 1-1.5Mbps range, while those on fuller beams may have a difficult time streaming or watching Youtube vids when their overall speed is two or three times that.
One thing I've definitely come to see is that, even if I have around the same speed as someone else at a given time, we may not have the same experience with Youtube vids.
Buffering youtube vids when I had sufficient overall speed, and the issue with the Windows updates taking forever, were two of the reasons for my decision to upgrade to Gen5.
Granted, this is just my experience, and the thought about the beams is just a theory, but it seems plausible.
Edit: Or, like you suggest, maybe it has to do with the gateways. Only the gremlins know for sure. LOL.
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Wish I had access to the all the engineering data like satellite/beam/gateway throughput by time line..........but then they'd have to kill me. :smileywink:
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\"That kinda makes me wish I would have stuck with what I had. SMH. \"
I'm having lots of issues with speed, but I'm still happy to have gone to Gen 5. I keep a positive (naive???) outlook: it'll grow out of its growing pains and it'll be just fine.
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I'm having lots of issues with speed, but I'm still happy to have gone to Gen 5. I keep a positive (naive???) outlook: it'll grow out of its growing pains and it'll be just fine.
I'm hoping just that. Overall I've been quite happy with Gen5, and for the most part it's been better than Gen4. I just got a little jealous when I saw BirdDog's speed at that time of night. I used to see that, even in the highest usage times, but not very much anymore. With that said, though, I knew that what I was experiencing at the beginning would change as more people got on the satellite, my gateway and my beam. I just didn't expect it so quickly.
But, like I said, it's still enough for me to do most of what I normally do without any real issue. A few of the more graphics intensive websites load a bit slower, but if I didn't have to spare the extra few seconds it takes for them to load I'd have more of a problem than just the internet slowing down for a couple of hours. :p LOL.
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Yes, BirdDog is getting too much fast data. Unfair! LOL
I've only had moderate speeds since the beginning (17 to 20 Mbps average), and now the speed is slower in general. I did have a period with higher speeds during the day, sometimes higher than 40 Mbps, but that's no longer the case.
I have some issues with Youtube and Netflix if the speed goes under 6 Mbps. I also have noticed that https pages are once again loading very slowly (they hadn't there for a while). The upside is the company's responsive, more than others from what I've seen in my lurkings. They're working on this, it'll take time, but things will improve.
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