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Any Amateur Radio Operators (AKA "Hams") Here on The HughesNet Community Forums?

Assistant Professor

Re: Any Amateur Radio Operators (AKA "Hams") Here on The HughesNet Community Forums?

Depending how much illegal power he's transmitting and the proximity to you, there is no filtering available that will keep the signal from feeding directly into your equipment and causing havoc.

 

If he's truly running illegal amplifiers those things are infamous for producing all kinds of spurious frequency signals across the entire radio spectrum. He's a prime example why Hams in general often get a bad rep.

 

You've got a real problem on your hands IMO. Good luck.

Distinguished Professor IV

Re: Any Amateur Radio Operators (AKA "Hams") Here on The HughesNet Community Forums?

Whoa!  Did the spam filter catch Alan's post and delete it?  It's was a great and informative post, and I learned something about the SSID Broadcast I didn't know.  Hopefully the person who asked the question will have a copy of Alan's answer in his/her email.  


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Advanced Tutor

Re: Any Amateur Radio Operators (AKA "Hams") Here on The HughesNet Community Forums?

@GabeUwrote:

Whoa!  Did the spam filter catch Alan's post and delete it?  It's was a great and informative post, and I learned something about the SSID Broadcast I didn't know.  Hopefully the person who asked the question will have a copy of Alan's answer in his/her email.  


Yeah, that was weird. I edited the post as HTML and it was flagged as spam. Just reposted.

El Dorado Networks |Diamond Springs, CA | eldoradonetworks.com
Advanced Tutor

Re: Any Amateur Radio Operators (AKA "Hams") Here on The HughesNet Community Forums?

Let me try again:

 

Wow! That guy has a few wires loose. Doesn't sound like a Ham Radio Operator. Maybe a paranoid CB'er?

OK, there is a solution if you don't want him to see your Wifi Network but you still want to be able to use it. This is a bit technical, and you may need to go find a computer technician (or a teenager) to do this for you.

 

First of all, if your neighbor is as clueless as he sounds about WiFi networks, you most likely have nothing to fear about him being able to break into your network.

 

You will need to access your wifi settings and then change them. If you can, use a wired connection between the modem and a laptop or desktop computer to do the following:

 

Go to http://192.168.0.1 to access your HughesNet modem, then click on WiFi Settings in the left menu. The default password to get into the Wifi settings is : admin (lower case).

 

Make a note of the network names (SSIDs) for both 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz. You can change the SSID names to something easy to remember, such as MyWiFi or even "FBISurveillanceCamera" (if you really want to freak out your neighbor). Save your changes. If you change the SSIDs, and you're connected wirelessly, you'll need to reconnect once you change these names. Make a note of the changed names. Also make a note of the type of encryption (WPA) and write down the WiFi password. You'll need this information for the next steps.

 

Once you log back into your WiFi settings, un-check the boxes for "SSID Broadcast." Again, Save your changes. This will hide the SSID names from being displayed in any smart phone's or computer's list of WiFi connections. Now, your neighbor won't see your WiFi network connection names, and can obsess about something else.

 

To reconnect to your WifI yourself, you may need to "add" the (now hidden) network back in, only this time, in addition to the password, you now will need to manually enter the SSID name since it will no longer be displayed or broadcast.

 

That's it. Your paranoid neighbor should now no longer be able to see your WiFi Network.

El Dorado Networks |Diamond Springs, CA | eldoradonetworks.com
Advanced Tutor

Re: Any Amateur Radio Operators (AKA "Hams") Here on The HughesNet Community Forums?

I didn't answer your question about your neighbor interfereing with your WiFi. I have never heard of ham radio transmissions interfering with Wifi. When you lose your WiFi connection, do you also lose wired connectivity? You'll need a laptop or desktop computer connected directly to the HughesNet modem with a network cable to check this.

 

Ham radio operates at relatively low frequencies, usually below 55 Mhz and very seldom above 440 Mhz. On the other hand, satellite communications operate at extremely high frequencies, well above 1,500 Mhz and often more than 30 Ghz (way, way up there).

 

WiFi signals are at 2.4 and 5 Ghz, and they don't share frequencies with ham bands. If there is interference from a ham station, you'll usually hear it in AM or FM radios or with TV channels. Find an AM radio, tune it to an unused frequency near the low end of the band, and see if it starts making more noise whenever you WiFi stops working.
Most self-respecting Ham Radio operators with work with you to eliminate "RFI" (Radio Frequency Interference).

Also, if you give me an address I can check the F C C database to see if there is a licensed Ham at that address. Anyone can do this since it is public record.

El Dorado Networks |Diamond Springs, CA | eldoradonetworks.com
Assistant Professor

Re: Any Amateur Radio Operators (AKA "Hams") Here on The HughesNet Community Forums?

I'll just add "back in the day" when I maintained ATC and Ham frequency radios I saw them interfere with things you never thought they could or should given enough power and proximity. All radios emit some spurious frequencies at multiples of the assigned frequency. Normally at such low levels that it isn't a proble. But attach an amplifier that is poorly designed then those weak spurious signals can become quite strong and even inject into the electronics at the board level on nearby equipment. Not to mention induced into cables.

 

Only saying IMO it is possible for such interference to happen as @lm8542 describes.

 

I'll shutup now. Smiley Happy

Advanced Tutor

Re: Any Amateur Radio Operators (AKA "Hams") Here on The HughesNet Community Forums?

You're right, it is possible.
My own Ham radio station was interfering with my computer in a really odd way that's hard to describe. Certain types of video displays would freeze on the screen while I was transmitting.

Turns out I had something called "common-mode RF current" coming from the antenna down the outside of the coax shield and into my shack.

Also, my wifi router was interfering with my radio receiver and inducing a regular, pulsing noise into the lower frequency bands.

If there is interference getting into the HughesNet wifi, it may be curable by placing several ferrite beads on all the cables (coax, network cables, and even the power cable, which already has one on it). But it might take a lot of them.

El Dorado Networks |Diamond Springs, CA | eldoradonetworks.com
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Sophomore

Re: Any Amateur Radio Operators (AKA "Hams") Here on The HughesNet Community Forums?

Hi, I am surprised that I got any response so quickly. I can't prove that I am right and I don't 100% know that the interference is being done intentionally. I was using my the 5 ghz band of my wifi router and I had it "hidden" and when I would turn it on it would work great until right at dark every time. I was getting dns accleration errors and rtt errors along with association errors. So, I said I don't truly need wifi since everything I use has an ethernet port so I turned off wifi. My errors aren't as bad mostly rtt errors across every hour almost every day from like 5pm-11pm it really makes my internet sluggish and netflix continuously reloads until about 11pm-midnight. From midnight until 5am I have no problems. My neighbor comes home at 5ish(pm) and so that could be a cooincidence, however he has asked my husband multiple times if he was going to call the game warden on him even though we can't actually see onto his property at all. I really don't know how to take those questions. He asked me the only time I ever met him if I had cameras that linked back to my house. Well I have ADT wired and no wireless cameras. So the fact that these errors started when he moved in I suppose could also be a cooincidence. I am not interested in playing detective to spy on my neighbors but I don't know how to convince a stranger of that. I know nothing at all about cb's etc. My husband supsected radio intereference and instead of explaining our problem he told him he was interested in getting a cb setup either in our house or in his truck. That is when the guy offered up the information about using and I quote "I use a powerful amplifier they are illegal but the federal won't do nothing about it. I use Linear and bi-linear..." I don't know what any of that means but we assumed he was the culprit just because of his fear of the game warden. I certainly realize the reason people love and are interested in radio communications like Ham and cb's etc. I certainly have no desire to trash the operator's I would love to learn it myself. I think I would need to know how to use a spectrum analyzer or something like that to truly know what's going on. My husband didn't flat out ask the guy because he was afraid it would get worse... I will replace the line and have it sealed it's old and it has one line that goes into my modem from the dish but it has a line that goes to nothing that the guy just clipped the coaxial head off of and it could be picking up stray RF and amplifying the problem. I will start with trying to make certain my dish and everything is properly grounded etc. I really appreciate any feedback on this subject. Thanks!

Sophomore

Re: Any Amateur Radio Operators (AKA "Hams") Here on The HughesNet Community Forums?

Oh yes! I did forget to mention that I had tried a couple of ferrite beads. I got  the idea surfing around and reading everything I can about RF. I used the wrong kind of ferrite core perhaps. I got the rings that are too big to fit the cord and the coaxial was too stiff to wrap around that cord. But I put it on the power cord and even the Ethernet unaware if it made any sense or not. I could not tell any difference at all. I got a smart meter cover for my power meter since I could not and still cannot use the 2.4ghz spectrum on my modem. The 5ghz has always worked until dark. I feel I need to start with my own hardware which is why I thought there might be some kind of filter that would solve the problem but would be too easy. Thanks again for the ideas and info.

Sophomore

Re: Any Amateur Radio Operators (AKA "Hams") Here on The HughesNet Community Forums?

Hey , thanks for your feedback. I assume since he mentioned cb's that he may only be a CB operator I truly don't understand the jargon. I will try to learn though. I don't wish any ill will towards the guy just want to watch netflix in peace. lol