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Intermittent System Outage returns.
- 9 years ago
Good morning folks,
Just received an update that the network adjustments to address this concern have been implemented. Please let me know if the intermittent connectivity persists for you today.
I wonder if you are familiar with the ethernet concept that handles packet collision. This little discussion is not related to satellite communications per se, just the transmissions between multiple stations connected by a single ethernet cable which daisy chains from one station to the next, to the next, etc. It is a typical setup that might be used for the network in an company with a lot of offices, for example. Assume there are multiple stations on an ethernet circuit and two of them decide to send a data packet at essentially the same moment. There is collision detection circuitry used to detect that multiple stations are sending at the same time. It then puts a long pulse onto the ethernet cable that blocks both messages from getting through. The transmitting stations each recognize this and respond by each one transmitting its packet again after a random delay period. The assumption is that the two stations will choose different delay periods so their retransmissions do not collide again.
I suspect that the HughesNet satellite communications system works in a similar manner with regard to the many ground stations sending packets to the satellite. As long as each ground station's transmitted packet does not overlap that of another ground station, all goes well. If multiple ground stations try to transmit at the same moment, the satellite senses the packet collision and transmits a signal telling those stations their packets failed to get through and to retransmit them after some suitable delays.
I run an application program much of the time that keeps sending PING messages and it keeps track of how many of them succeed and how many fail to make the round trip to and from a selected server on the internet. Under typical conditions when weather is not an issue and we are not in the midst of one of these outages that we have been fighting, a usual success rate for the PING messages hovers around 50%. It does vary in a rather random way, a little higher or a little lower for a minute or two at a time but generally hangs near that 50% mark.
Wednesday evening, we had a lot of heavy rain cells passing through the area, replete with several tornado warnings. Not surprisingly, we had spells where no PING messages were succeeding at all. My app flagged those periods as outages but it was clear that such outages were caused by the local weather.
However, I noticed something else that happened on at least one occasion when there was no rain in my location. There was a period when the success rate for the PING messages rose considerably above the usual rate, well above the 75% success rate, and stayed there for a while. Later, it returned to its usual behavior.
I kept wondering what could have caused that. Now I can propose a scenario about what caused this that is related to my theory about the satellite handling those packet collisions that I mentioned above.
I suspect some of the heavy rain that was around the state but not in my own area was blocking transmissions from many of the other HughesNet ground stations. That gave my PING messages a much better chance of getting through.
Of course, with many people having their attention drawn to the weather, perhaps they were not so likely to be using the internet in the first place. Either way, it is a theory.
Matt_Is_My_Name, What do you think? Can you propose another explanation?
All I can do is speculate how the communications between the satellite and ground gateway stations is handled. I imagine the finer details are considered very sensitive information for any of the satellite Internet providers.
I do understand packet collision, but I'm not entirely sure that is something the satellite should have to worry about. I imagine communications are handled in a similar way as cell phones communicating with towers on the ground. Everything has specific time frames to get their data across. This would mean the data has to be sent early so it arrives at the tower at the correct time. I'm sure this would be far easier with stationary ground stations rather than cell phones travelling in cars and whatnot.
I would also guess that there is a lot of caching that goes on so the satellite's upstream and downstream don't have to run at the exact same speed.
Again these are just speculations, but I wouldn't be surprised if it operates basically like a $118-million router.
- Liz9 years agoModerator
Good morning folks,
Our engineers have isolated the issue and will make adjustments for you to address your concerns. Once I get an ETA on the adjustments, I'll let you know.
Your patience and understanding are much appreciated.
- ebjoew9 years agoSophomore
Thanks, Liz. I will keep my app running that notes the longer dropouts and I will report when they appear to have stopped happening.
By the way, the one detail that I have noticed thatI have not yet reported is that the ability to bounce PING messages off of 8.8.8.8 stops roughly about a minute before the satellite modem logs any difficulties during a drop out. I first became aware of a discrepancy between how long a drop out appeared to be from the PC's point of view versus the duration of the drop out as logged by the satellite modem. So I started comparing some logged events with the times when the drop outs began as detected by failing PING messages. If it would be of any value, I could provide more detailed timing for a few drop outs.
- Gwalk9009 years agoHonorary Alumnus
When you have the Belkin connected is DHCP enabled in the router?
Have you checked the computers adaptor power settings to insure the operating system doesn't power down the adaptor?
- Liz9 years agoModerator
Good morning folks,
Just received an update that the network adjustments to address this concern have been implemented. Please let me know if the intermittent connectivity persists for you today.
- Matt_Is_My_Name9 years agoSophomore
This is the first time in months I have seen green across the board for association and dns acceleration. LAN Xs were from my computer being off.
Looks promising. I will keep an eye on things over the next couple days and let you know.
Thanks!
- ebjoew9 years agoSophomore
I do believe the long drop outs have ceased. There have not been any for the past 2 days.
My thanks to whoever figured out the cause and fixed it. Soon, I can stop running my drop out monitor app now.
- Liz9 years agoModerator
Awesome, glad to hear it guys! We'll pass along your feedback and confirmation to the engineers. Thank you again for your cooperation and patience while we worked to address your concerns.
- Matt_Is_My_Name9 years agoSophomore
To be honest I forgot all about this thread for a while. I guess that is a good thing if you think about it..
It has been about a month since the fix was put in to place and the only outages I have had since have been weather related. I am going to tempt fate and mark this thread as solved.
Thanks for the help! And be sure to pass that thanks on to the engineers.
- Liz9 years agoModerator
Thank you Matt, will do!
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