Community notification emails have stopped.

[GabeU]

The last Community notification email I received was at 5:40PM EST yesterday.  Since then, there have been many replies and such that have prompted notifications within the Community itself, but no email notifications to accompany them.  

I've reset the Community email notification settings, but that didn't make any difference.  

Thanks.

[Liz]

Thanks Gabe!

I'm just making sure I get everything straight, please correct me if I'm wrong:

-All test e-mails sent directly from the HN account to your MSN account arrived immediately except for last night's which came the next morning.

-7 community notification emails arrived in the HN account, but only 3 successfully forwarded to MSN.

-The first successful forward had a 15 min delay, but the other 2 were immediately.

-No bounce or emails indicating an error for the 4 notification emails that failed to forward to MSN.

Thanks,

Liz

[GabeU]

@Liz 

That's all correct.  

For some reason, the only time I get a failure notification is when it's a direct email to my MSN, and then only when it actually fails outright, and when that happens it's nearly always right after I try to send it that I get the failure note.  This is why I figured the ones from last night might actually still make it, which they eventually did.  There are never any failure notifications from the forwards that don't make it.

[Liz]

OK thanks for the confirmation. Maybe failed forwards don't trigger error emails, but hopefully our e-mail admins can see something more on their end. I'll let them know about this as well as the persistent incorrect inbox indicator.

-Liz

[Liz]

Good morning Gabe,

I have some requests from the e-mail admins regarding the forwarding issue and the notification issue:

About forwarding, can you please e-mail me the full header of the first forwarded email that was successfully was received but was 15 min late? The header might not fit in PM so you can paste it into email or even forward the email itself to us at communitysupport@hughes.com.

For the notification issue, for troubleshooting purposes, is it OK for the e-mail admins to mark everything in the inbox as read?

-Liz

[GabeU]

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@Liz wrote:

About forwarding, can you please e-mail me the full header of the first forwarded email that was successfully was received but was 15 min late? The header might not fit in PM so you can paste it into email or even forward the email itself to us at communitysupport@hughes.com. 

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I no longer had it at my hughes.net address, as I've been deleting emails there for the purpose of both trying to make it easier to keep things straight regarding all of this and in an attempt to fix the Inbox indicator issue, so I had to forward it from my MSN mail.  I hope that's okay, though this may be what you wanted.  It sounds like they want to be able to see the past emails for troubleshooting purposes, so I'll stop deleting them from my hughes.net webmail.

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@Liz wrote:

For the notification issue, for troubleshooting purposes, is it OK for the e-mail admins to mark everything in the inbox as read?

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Yes, this is fine.

[Liz]

OK great! Once you're able to get a copy of a delayed forward (if it happens again) please send it my way.

I'll let the admins know they can mark your emails as read.

Thank you!

-Liz

[GabeU]

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@Liz wrote:

OK great! Once you're able to get a copy of a delayed forward (if it happens again) please send it my way. 

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So, for the sake of clarity, what I just sent was what you needed, and if it happens, resend the new one, and in the same way?  

Or, do you need me to forward it from hughes.net itself and not from MSN?

[Liz]

Ah, I see your email. The e-mail admins would like the header for the email. You may have to check in the email properties or expand something at the top of the email to view the full header. They're more interested in the info in the headers than the body of the email, so doesn't matter from where you send it. I hope that made sense.

-Liz

[GabeU]

@Liz 

Okay.  Sorry, I'm not very versed in this stuff.  I'll grab the header from the MSN forwarded copy and send it to the same address.  

Edit:  Sent.  It didn't keep the same format when I pasted it, so I hope they can get the information needed.

[Liz]

Good morning Gabe,

Thank you, I received it, this should do it. 

-Liz

[GabeU]

@Liz 

Just in case you or they may need to know this, I tried sending two direct test emails late last night, as in from hughes.net to msn.com.  Both failed.  They were sent at 10:58PM and 1:59AM.  The failure notices came through at 5:32AM and 5:46AM, respectively.

[Liz]

Hi Gabe,

Thank you for letting me know. The e-mail admins confirmed that MSN is blocking e-mails from your IP at the moment and they've reached out to them to address this. I'll keep you posted.

-Liz

[Liz]

Good morning Gabe,

I questioned the e-mail admins as to how forwarding can fail while sending works if the IP is blocked. You brought up an interesting situation where forwards to MSN don't work while direct mails still do.

Can you please try sending a test email from the HN account to your MSN and let me know if that succeeds? Then also try forwarding to MSN to see if that works. I think the e-mail admins would like to see current attempts now that they've confirmed the IP block.

Thanks,

Liz

[kitnbob]

I have been following this thread,

So I sent a new message AND a forwarded message as @Liz suggested and they were both sent without error from the SMTP server.

there was no server error at send time and no bounce message from MSN returned to me thru the pop server.

Neither of the messages showed up in my MSN inbox.

They just vanished.

Edit; after checking my logs, the messages were successfully received in the MSN inbox last on 12/10

Edit 2: Both messages arrived to the inbox 13 hrs after being sent

[GabeU]

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@Liz wrote:

You brought up an interesting situation where forwards to MSN don't work while direct mails still do.

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That should be "sometimes still do".  The two on Friday failed, with an eventual failure notice, and when the others came through they were more often than not many hours late. 

I just sent two emails directly from hughes to MSN.  They were direct test #11 and #12.  They were sent at 4:57PM and 4:58PM EST.  They have not come through.  There was no immediate failure notice, which likely means that they'll show up sometime later, though there's still the possibility that they'll fail, like the last two.

[Liz]

Gotcha. I met with some of the e-mail folks today for our now weekly check-in. Simply put, forwarded e-mail take a different path than direct e-mail and thus would refer to a different IP address. 

They're still working on this block, so I'll keep you posted.

-Liz

[GabeU]

@Liz 

Direct emails #11 and #12, which were sent at 4:57PM and 4:58PM respectively, were both received at MSN at 2:19AM EST, which is nearly 9.5 hours after sending them.  They were received in reverse order (12 then 11).  

I sent email #13 and #14, both at 2:35AM.  They have not come through yet.

[kitnbob]

@GabeU 

I have similar results.

My outgoing mail Does eventually arrive in the MSN inbox.

Yesterday 6 hrs later and the last 2 arrived 13 hrs after being sent.  They havent been returned anyway.

Reminds me of receiving text messages on my cell phone. I would get some texts the next day. So much for instant messaging. I have never used MSN Messaging have you?

Edit: Now that I think about it, I have received No Email notifications from the Community for 6 days. Last one was 12/09. Isnt that what this discussion is about?

[MarkJFine]

Just a thought on this mystery: Sometimes emails will get rejected for some reason so the sender tries again in a set amount of time. that time could be an hour, could be 24 hours. Could also be it keeps trying and finally gets accepted 24 hours later.

I'm thinking that this was initially set for a single try, which is why things were failing immediately. Someone went in and changed it for a series of retries, which is why things are now showing up much later.

[kitnbob]

@MarkJFine 

A good thought and Well explained. I have seen a misspelled username being returned for days previously. Till they stop trying. .

Are you receiving Community notification emails today?

[MarkJFine]

I've been getting them all along, best I can tell.